aaron conneely just scored 40metres run. ireland 21 italy 0 after 8mins

connachtexile wrote: I was been hyperbolic sea_point you of all people should know what that's like :lol:

I resemble that accusation..... :whistle:

I was been hyperbolic sea_point you of all people should know what that's like :lol:

connachtexile wrote: Firstly the pitch was an utter disgrace someone should tells the Saffers that there's meant to be grass on top of the mud. JJ showed that he is probably a 12 rather than a 10 think he left 9 points on the board. Admittedly not all easy kicks but it didn't stop the English 10 from making his. I think the weather helped the English play they could stick it up the jumper and let their superior muscle smash through if it was dry I think we would have nipped it on superior skill.

The turning point though was Buckley getting sinned binned pointlessly. I don't know what he was thinking but he should be sent home early for it. We still might make the semi's though if we clock a big win against the Italians and results go our way.

Don't agree, he'll learn nothing from sitting at home. Ruddock got it right, not letting him back on and having to sit pitch-side and watch events unfold is the worst punishment. He's there because he has some ability, and better players than him have had bigger feck-ups (Heasliip in NZ for example)...

Firstly the pitch was an utter disgrace someone should tells the Saffers that there's meant to be grass on top of the mud. JJ showed that he is probably a 12 rather than a 10 think he left 9 points on the board. Admittedly not all easy kicks but it didn't stop the English 10 from making his. I think the weather helped the English play they could stick it up the jumper and let their superior muscle smash through if it was dry I think we would have nipped it on superior skill.

The turning point though was Buckley getting sinned binned pointlessly. I don't know what he was thinking but he should be sent home early for it. We still might make the semi's though if we clock a big win against the Italians and results go our way.

only saw first half and last 10 of second but conditions were awful for any level of rugby. imo the draw re games went against them in 2nd half i.e. sa then england for us v italy and us for england. as seapoint pointed out england were able to bring in a few monsters for this game who were rested against italy.

buckley prob made bench for this one for A. size and b. jordan was after doing exam in morning, he is primarily a 6 and maybe an 8 but no 7. that said the bin sounds stupid on his part and very costly. that jordan coughlan is some prospect although touch lucky not to get binned himself in first half
. great to see and reminded me of quinnie. id love to see him at munster or connacht(no particular order) in near future as hes unlikely to break tru any time soon with players ahead of him in leinster.

i praised jj after sa game and from what i saw he kicked well out of hand in difficult conditions,scored a good try and ran well with the ball but players in his position are judged by high standards and if im being consistant he missed 2 kicks to the value of 5 pts while i was watching and that was the losing margin. i dont think im being too harsh as heathcote, his opposite number, is a regular now for bath and he delivered for england. these are the standards 10s are judged on.
impressed also by marmion and captain scannell who look to have right attitude to make it.

swift4prez wrote: 63 mins 13-15

buckley binned in the scrum. pure stupid. pen try. it would of been a try 99% but at least we would have 15men

Yep single act of stupidity undermined 60 minutes of excellence in awful conditions, Ruddock was bang on in replacing him. His stupidity also led to the error when Hanrahan tried to be too clever and instead of knocking the ball in touch on halfway when isolated he threw a hospital pass to Marmion who got man and ball. Two hack throughs and fifty metres later and we're back on our own line and concede a 5m lineout leading to second try.

Marmian has been excellent in both games so far, especially tonight given the conditions. Very cool head on his shoulders and seems to deal with the pressure better than McGrath. Nelson was pretty good against the Saffers but never got going tonight, but Leyden if fit would be first choice...

That was definitely one that got away. Played some great rugby at times in the first half, really could have had another couple of tries. 15-3 was good at the break but should have been more, 2nd half England upped the tempo and used their forwards and big ball carriers to better effect but Ireland failed to play the conditions and their strengths in the 2nd half. Its dissapointing at this level to see an Irish team unable to go for the kill when they had the game in their grasp, similar to the seniors once they got a 10+ point lead against a strong side the inclination is to try and hang on rather than drive home their dominance.

Thought Marmion had one of his better games I've seen him in. We saw the two sides to Hanrahan, some excellent breaks mixed with some poor kicking and handling, with the right handling he will be a good player though. Really missed Layden at full back as Funk It mentioned, Nelson wasn't at all convincing.

Should never have found the live stream , i hold my hands up take responsibility , I jinxed them !!! Never in the game in the second half . Tough one to take!!! Still in it but need a huge result against Italy.

Funk It wrote:

swift4prez wrote: 63 mins 13-15

buckley binned in the scrum. pure stupid. pen try. it would of been a try 99% but at least we would have 15men

I was worried about him earlier, but didnt want to make a judgement until I saw some more, he just looks clueless out there, and thats asides from the Penalty try and yellow card.

buckley who was a sub was subbed rather than coming back from the sin bin. tells us what the coach think now....

completly different team from the first half pity really.

is it one or two teams come out of the group

Shane Layden is a big loss to this side. The fullback has shown poor clearance kicks, sloppy handling and never poses any attacking threat.

20-15 to England, need some magic to pull this off, looking a bit deflated at the moment.

#wolfpuppies are falling apart. 69mins gone eng 20 ire15 sin bin really costing us. 14points since buckley got the yellow

ok if the scrum was stronger. they will get a try but still ireland 2 ahead. now since on the bench theey scored 14 feckn points

swift4prez wrote: 63 mins 13-15

buckley binned in the scrum. pure stupid. pen try. it would of been a try 99% but at least we would have 15men

I was worried about him earlier, but didnt want to make a judgement until I saw some more, he just looks clueless out there, and thats asides from the Penalty try and yellow card.

63 mins 13-15

buckley binned in the scrum. pure stupid. pen try. it would of been a try 99% but at least we would have 15men

Stupid penalty to give away for the PT it was coming though need big reaction now.

Marmion going well, Disrupting from back of the English scrum, great break prior to getting in for the try, got caught once for being too slow in getting the ball out of the ruck.

big loss at 7, will have to give Shane Buckley a bit more game time before I judge him. the Right wing for Ireland is a talent, Hanrahan is very impressive (missed kicks aside).